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The Independent is one of Britain’s leading quality newspapers (online since 1999) known for it’s even-handed approach and for building opinion and analysis based on intelligent thought, rather than the opinions of the proprietor.

As such, we’ll be covering the US Election with our eyes on how it affects the Washington elite, how it’s playing amongst ordinary Americans and how the rest of the world views it all. So we want your views on whether you feel motivated by this election, and whether you’ll vote – and maybe even which way you’ll vote. Is Obama viewed with such glee as he is in Europe? Would you define McCain as experienced or as part of the old guard? And, if you’re American, do you care what the rest of the world thinks?

We’ll be posting news and comment stories here, as well as, of course covering it on our own site


and blogs

So, stick with us, and join the debate…


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whatistigerbalm wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2008 11:08 am (UTC)
Excellent! My favourite UK paper in LiveJournal.
larnew wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2008 12:05 pm (UTC)
Is Obama viewed with such glee as he is in Europe?
No...while some are very excited by his canididacy, most are more than a little wary. I am very motivated by this election if only to vote to help make sure that a former muslim is not elected to the Oval Office. That is, if there is such a thing as a former muslim! McCain is very experienced...20 years in the Senate and 20 years in the military! Frankly, I don't give a damn what the rest of the world thinks! I will be voting for Mr. John McCain!
the_paulr wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2008 03:15 pm (UTC)
Re: Is Obama viewed with such glee as he is in Europe?
Can you please provide objective (non-partisan) proof that Obama was ever a Muslim?
tyskkvinna wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2008 01:21 pm (UTC)
I think it's incredibly ignorant to say "if there is such a thing as a former muslim"... and find myself wondering why it would be so bad for a person of Muslim faith to be president, anyway.
princess2000204 wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2008 03:21 pm (UTC)
I certainly think it would bring a different perspective on how our country handles situations that religion seems to become part of.
jmpierce wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2008 02:39 pm (UTC)
Is Obama viewed with such glee as he is in Europe?
Although I cannot speak for my entire nation as a whole, I can say quite confidently that yes, there are a lot of people who are intensely excited about Barack Obama and cannot wait for him to be President of the US. He is extremely intelligent, eloquent (have you read any of his books? They're incredible), and open-minded, qualities I would like to see returned to the oval office. I'm not sure we've had a president as well-spoken and eloquent as Barack Obama since Abraham Lincoln.

And yes, I for one am very interested in what the rest of the world has to say. I think that as an increasingly globalized world we all need to listen to each other and care about each other on a more human level. I think that this sentiment is also echoed in Barack Obama's personal politics, and I think this view is also one we need in Washington right now.

...and are people really so uneducated about Barack Obama as to still think he's a former Muslim? Not that there's anything wrong with that, because there is not, but that was just misinformation spread based on the fact that he went to (a secular) school in Indonesia when he was a young child. I mean, no offense to anyone, but I went to a Christian day care for a few years when I was a child, and that didn't make me Christian... so how does attending a secular school in a largely Muslim country suddenly make you Muslim? Voting along religious lines is pretty cheap in my opinion to begin with, but saying you're not going to vote for Obama because he's a "former Muslim" only cements your ignorance on the issues at hand...
princess2000204 wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2008 03:17 pm (UTC)
Is Obama viewed with such glee as he is in Europe?

I think it's more a mixed reaction. I personally like him a lot more then most people I know. (I'm in Southern USA)

Most people I think are scared that he has a hidden agenda that could be possibly harmful to our nation, mostly due to the fact that he has spent a good deal of time over in Africa where women aren't seen the same as over here.

Would you define McCain as experienced or as part of the old guard?

Certainly part of the old guard! I don't see him doing our country any good that Bush hadn't claimed in the past 2 elections.

And, if you’re American, do you care what the rest of the world thinks?

To an extent. I hate that we've lost so much standing the global community that most nations seem to hate us.
pennyann wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2008 03:32 pm (UTC)
Welcome, Independent.

I am motivated by this election absolutely, just as I am by most elections (national and local both). Changing the mix of who is doing what keeps people from getting comfortable and not doing their jobs. Out with the old, in with the new.

I will absolutely vote, and I will absolutely vote for Barak Obama.

I view Barak Obama with more than glee, I view him as an intelligent and well-spoken man who has great ideas (yes, I have read both of his books) as well as a grounding that comes from the mid-western roots of his grandparents and his mother. I love that he can work up a crowd and get them going with his speeches, but I feel like he is also a lot more than that. I'm looking forward to what he will try to do and hopefully be able to do in Washington.

McCain = the old guard. And the grouchy, impetuous, rash and short-tempered old guard at that.

I absolutely care what the rest of the world thinks. I think EVERYONE should care what the rest of the world thinks, and not just about politics.
phydeau wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2008 04:09 pm (UTC)
I guess it depends on whether or not people have already decided who they're voting for. Most of the people I know who are voting for Obama are very excited about him. Not only is he incredibly articulate, intelligent, and everything people have already said, but after a year and a half of people trying like hell to find his faults, he also appears to be the most (gasp) HONEST politician I've ever seen.

However, living in the South, I also hear a lot of ignorant, biggoted, or simply narrow-minded people who (literally, in some cases) think he's the anti-Christ.

I, for one, think he'll be a president like no other. I don't have to agree on every issue, but on the whole he's the right choice by a long shot. The McCain/Palin ticket is WAY out.
lineswine wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2008 05:03 pm (UTC)
What makes the yanks think anyone else give a flying fuck WHO they vote for? You can bet your arse big business will be running the show, as usual & the mouthpiece in a suit is lucky they don't have to wear corporate logos on their foreheads!
Did the USA give a shit out anyone elses' election? (Hell no, if it ain't to do with the yanks, they don't give a toss).
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Sep. 26th, 2008 05:45 pm (UTC)

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bkworm9 wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2008 05:39 pm (UTC)
I used to be a huge Obamafan, back around 2004 and 2005. However, increasingly, I have found myself becoming wary over the influence he allows from his advisors. I find that he is not as much of a maverick as he once was, and I think his message is getting lost as he tries to appeal to more and more of the public. I also find the following he has somewhat disturbing - a lot of it seems to be a result of blind idealism, and while I have a vague idea of what his platform is (and his views are closer to mine than McCain's are), I still doubt whether an Obama administration will bring about constructive and effective change.

As a young person (early to mid twenties), I find that I'm outnumbered by a lot of my friends in that they all seem to be very gung-ho about Obama. I can't tell you what older adults think, although the rest of my family started out not understanding my then-outspoken admiration for Obama and are now full-fledged Obamafans themselves.

As I said, however, what little I know of Obama's views are closer to my own than McCain's views. I will definitely be voting because I feel that a McCain administration would be the same or worse as the current administration, and I will most likely be voting for Obama, but I will do it with some reservations.
joeywindsor wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2008 06:32 pm (UTC)
To start, I am a 22 year old male born and raised in a Democrat state. I am labeled in the voting books as "undecided" and I am agnostic.

"Is Obama viewed with such glee as he is in Europe?"
The answer to this question depends on where in the US you ask. Many democrats, I believe, are excited to see him on the ticket and hope that he is voted into office, but there are also many that worry how long he will survive in office, should he be voted in. I personally know several people who greatly fear he would be assassinated.

"Would you define McCain as experienced or as part of the old guard?"
McCain has an incredible amount of experience in the fields that are necessary to run the US. This fact cannot be argued; there is documented proof. However, his ideals are definitely 'old guard'. I ask the question, why can he not be both experienced AND old guard?

"Do you care what the rest of the world thinks?"
The world is a very large place, and foreign politics are of particular importance, as is the internal affairs of the US. The opinion of other countries towards the US has a large impact now, and will have a large impact on the future with the situation our economy is in and the possible directions our country may go in the near future. I, personally, care a great deal about how my country is viewed by the rest of the world.

I cannot say that I feel 'motivated' by this election. Worried is more the word I'd use, because no matter what happens this will be a historic election as well as a next Four Years. I will be voting for Obama, but I do not feel my vote will particularly matter seeing as how I live in a state that will undoubtedly vote Democrat, regardless of my own stance.
kathyerskine wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2008 07:09 pm (UTC)
If you're American, do you care what the rest of the world thinks?
Absolutely! That's a primary concern of mine for both sides -- the U.S., and the rest of the world. The last 8 years have been a disaster and ruined any credibility we might have had. I certainly hope we can swing it so that the U.S. finally has an educated, reasoned, intelligent, thoughtful, dignified President. Wouldn't that be a change everyone could believe in!
as_she_spoke wrote:
Oct. 1st, 2008 03:02 am (UTC)
Re: If you're American, do you care what the rest of the world thinks?
although i am not from europe, i am from australia i have to say im so happy that you care what the rest of the world thinks, because quite frankly your election affects us a great deal. more than we would like it to. especially on issues such as climate change.

and quite honestly americans sitting here saying "i dont give a fuck what the rest of the world thinks" are why so many americans who travel overseas have to wear canadian flags on their back packs because everyone thinks your a bunch of jerks. you are not doing yourselves any favours.

sandykidd wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2008 07:33 pm (UTC)
First, may I state that I appreciate the term "Washington elite". Many Americans might argue that there is no such thing. Maybe it's true that any determined US citizen could become President. I think that is a cloudy truth that doesn't account for those Americans who would be unwilling to join the Washington elite. And I think our forefathers might be ashamed of that. Nobody like me will ever be a US President.

Yes, I do feel motivated to participate in this election. It's worth noting that the first Presidential election I was old enough to vote in happened in 2000. Every occasion to vote is important, of course, but I feel as if every opportunity to vote that I have ever had has been especially pivotal. I have been disappointed, but I remain optimistic.

I will definitely vote. I will vote for Obama. It may or may not be important to anyone but me, but I grew up in Arizona, and I grew up afraid of McCain becoming President. I wish it had ever occurred to me that G.W. Bush could become President, so I could have spent my early years bracing for that nightmare, too.

I don't view any politician with glee, but Obama doesn't scare me. And I'm glad Europe doesn't hate him. That's promising.

I think McCain is unfortunately experienced. He is certainly 'old guard', and I think it's past time for a changing of the guard, as it were. I'd hate to see him 'grandfathered in' to the Presidency. Still, it isn't his age that determines his politics. I know many people my age who align very strongly with McCain; individual politics may change over time, but rarely does any particular viewpoint or political stance vanish entirely. Alas, the old guard perspective will be with America long after all the old guards are dead and gone.

I definitely care what the rest of the world thinks. No man is an island, right? Well, even island nations aren't 'islands' anymore. Xenophobia as foreign policy is pointlessly dangerous. Who in their right mind wants more enemies? Especially in this day and age. Yes, I care what the world thinks.
kwsapphire wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2008 07:35 pm (UTC)
I was on the O-train for a while. Then my eyes were opened. Now I see Obama as a slightly-better choice than McCain. Given the two choices I would certainly rather have Obama in office, but I'd absolutely rather have Ron Paul be president of the U.S. Who I vote for will depend on how much of a lead Obama has over McCain. If I have to vote against McCain and Palin, I will. If it looks like Obama has the lead, I will vote for Ron Paul. (Oddly enough when I was supporting Obama, I actually wanted an Obama/Biden ticket. Funny how I got what I'd wanted only after I learned that it's not what I really wanted.)
bastblack wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2008 09:17 pm (UTC)
Is Obama viewed with such glee as he is in Europe?

No. The majority do like him and find him inspiring, (he's the Tiger Woods of politics!), but we are also scared because he *is* change. It always scary to take that first step into the unknown.

Would you define McCain as experienced or as part of the old guard?

McCain is part of the old guard. He is not a leader, he's a pawn, and he's proven it over, and over, and over on this campaign trial. Instead of staying true to his own beliefs, he does what he told to do by those who have the power.

And, if you’re American, do you care what the rest of the world thinks?

Yes, as long as they are our allies.
putyourendtowar wrote:
Sep. 29th, 2008 09:19 am (UTC)
the quarter of a trillion dollar giveaway
jolly good, old boy! i like the british sense of play... and this is what i watched today.

america essentially doubled it's national debt in one week trying to bail out the banks. now come home mortgages and after hurricane katrina, what's left?

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