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 arack Obama is promising a $150bn "Apollo project" to bring jobs and energy security to the US through a new alternative energy economy, if his final push for votes brings victory in the presidential election on Tuesday.


"That's going to be my number one priority when I get into office," Mr Obama has said of his "green recovery" plans. Making his arguments in a radio address yesterday, the Democratic favourite promised: "If you give me your vote on Tuesday, we won't just win this election. Together, we will change this country and change the world." Read more.

Question: As the rhetoric gets more high-minded from Obama and more prosaic from McCain (who suffered, as we all do, from a plumber simply not turning up when he said he would), is Obama getting a little over-much? And is McCain still in with a chance?


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(no subject) - ex_londonso - Nov. 2nd, 2008 04:03 pm (UTC) Expand
tyskkvinna wrote:
Nov. 2nd, 2008 04:05 pm (UTC)
Anything's within chance as long as it hasn't been decided yet.
allhatnocattle wrote:
Nov. 2nd, 2008 04:29 pm (UTC)
Being that we're well past peak oil, energy demand is going to exceed demand sooner then later. You can drill all the wildlife preserves all you want, our lifestyle is simply not sustainable without sources of energy other then fossil fuels.

Apollo project or not, there will indeed be a shift to nuclear/wind/solar. Obama can only speed/ease the transition which might be more resistant without gov't help.

Everyone has a chance, but McCain's flower has lost it's bloom.
okielady wrote:
Nov. 2nd, 2008 05:11 pm (UTC)
I would advise every Obama supporter to ignore the polls and get out there and vote. Over-confidence can cost him the election, without a doubt. Never count any chickens before they've hatched. The only numbers that matter are those that come in on Tuesday night. I think this race is going to be closer than the polls might have us believe.
greendemqueen wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 09:16 pm (UTC)
I agree. I plan to get out there and vote first thing in the morning! I don't even care if I'm late for work!
I need to vote because I share an office with McCain supporters and somebody has to stand up to them!
beavis_the_wise wrote:
Nov. 2nd, 2008 06:00 pm (UTC)
I think McCain has a chance, as long as they successfully carry out some voter suppression.
vxt22 wrote:
Nov. 2nd, 2008 07:03 pm (UTC)
Ughh, beware of politicians who promise to change the world with your money. Obama is just handing out candy to the children, without question as to how to realistically pay for it. Or for that matter, whether it's the government's job to give everyone a good life in the first place.

Looks like there's more red in the budget, more red tape, and more government mandate for us.

Vote third party! Neither McCain nor Obama is acceptable.
beavis_the_wise wrote:
Nov. 2nd, 2008 07:18 pm (UTC)
Comrade, you've got it wrong.
fishnetmom wrote:
Nov. 2nd, 2008 08:10 pm (UTC)
My husband and I were laughing last night, wondering exactly what else will be going on with trying to cripple Obama's chances--like, he picks his nose, the terrorist has a bigger dick than him...McCain and the Republicans are really grasping at straws now.
totnesmartin wrote:
Nov. 2nd, 2008 08:22 pm (UTC)
Obama is starting to look like Kinnock in 1992 - thinking he's won already (Kinnock lost, partly because voters were turned off by his premature triumphalism). With that and the Bradley Effect, I predict McCain to win by single figures.
(no subject) - (Anonymous) - Nov. 3rd, 2008 12:19 am (UTC)
totnesmartin wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 12:33 am (UTC)
That's more or less what i said, isn't it? btw what if i knew the finers details but paraphrased them (it's only a comment, not an essay).
bastblack wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 12:27 am (UTC)
The Green Race has already started and the USA is far behind. Right now Germany, Japan, France, and Australia are kicking our asses. We absolutely need to jump into this race and win, or else we will loose our status as a Super Power.

raptavio wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 01:54 am (UTC)
No, and yes, in that order.

We need to invest a great deal into alternative energy before it becomes viable, but the longer we wait, the more it will cost us to NOT change course.

Does McCain have a chance? Well, what are the odds Obama will be caught with a dead hooker or a live boy scout?
hallyluia wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 02:36 am (UTC)
Obama switches around his "first priority" all the

"As a state senator in Illinois, he led opposition three years in a row (2001-2003) to a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of babies unintentionally left alive by abortions. He also opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion and strongly disapproved of the Supreme Court's decision to uphold the partial-birth ban. He also voted to block a bill that would have required a doctor to notify at least one parent before performing an abortion on a minor from another state. He does not support the Hyde Amendment, which prohibits taxpayer funding of abortion through Medicaid. Before a Planned Parenthood Action Fund last year, Obama promised to give first priority as president to the signing of the Freedom of Choice Act, which would make partial-birth abortion legal again."

Partial Birth Abortion is barbaric and he's promising to bring it back.
But the point is, THAT was first priority last week, something else was first priority today and tomorrow it will be another thing. Whatever gets him elected.

I guess it depends who he's talking to. Everyone likes to hear that they are the "first priority". So, I guess I'm saying it doesn't matter what he says. He's basically unreliable (to use gentle words).
beavis_the_wise wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 05:35 am (UTC)
You take the effect away from bold font, and underlined font when you use it too much. Not like there's any substance in your comment here anyway. Your icon pretty much shows what you believe. A swastika over the American flag is very clever. I LOVE Republicans!

Can you give us a citation for that big nasty quote?
hallyluia wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 06:43 pm (UTC)
the mess up on the underlining does look horrible I agree. Unfortunately comments are not editable.

I love AMERICANS. :)
pewter_wings wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 05:35 am (UTC)
Yes, we really want that man to lead our world.

charmhearts wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 08:47 pm (UTC)
at least they're all priorities. who are you kidding? you have nothing else to bitch about.
greendemqueen wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 09:12 pm (UTC)
I agree with "beavis_the_wise"; is that an actual quote? If so, then a citation would be nice.
You seem to have missed the details of Obama's stand on partial birth abortions. A partial birth abortion would ONLY take place if the mother's life is in danger. Please note, Obama is NOT pro-abortion, he is Pro-choice and YES there is a difference. Of course people will blur the line anyway I'm sure.
vanilla_christ wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 03:21 am (UTC)
McCain could very well have a chance, never underestimate the uncanny idiocy of the undecided voter. Never underestimate the large numbers of people who voted for Bush (twice) based exclusively on the fact that he prayed and he was "folksy." Also considering we have such a flawed voting system, I'd not be surprised if someone's livingroom sofa got elected to the office.

As for Obama's high-mindedness on this particular topic, only time will tell. Regardless, it's something that is desperately needed. Considering that we are presently on the fast-track to what eventually became the collapse of the Soviet Union, I think it's safe to say that the gears need to start turning in the opposite direction. "The Greatest Nation in the World" (a much bandied moniker) is not made by guns and money alone, we should expect higher standards of ourselves as a collective whole. "Stay-the-course" is dooming us, so reaching a little higher is a better aim to set in order to restore our economic status, our social status, our educational status, our industrial status, and our global status. Obama's rhetoric is no different today than is was four years ago. He's actually been quite consistent in that. That consistency and that idealism is what made him as popular as he is with the people, because we are so jaded with our leadership as it is. Elections are lies and spin and marketing and we just don't trust the process or the people involved (and now we are a nation more divided than ever, the "Red" people and the "Blue" people and so now we don't even trust each other). It's also no surprise that the perceived INconsistencies of McCain (in comparison with the McCain of 2000) are one major sticking point with most anti-McCain Americans that makes him suspect in their minds, for all the same reasons I noted above.
sahmahnthah wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 03:47 pm (UTC)
Over the weekend I read an article about Senator B. Obama's having an aunt from Kenya who is in the U.S. illegally. If this is true, then Senator B. Obama's agenda calling for change is as forthright as Clinton was when he publicly denied having sex with Monica. As well I watched a biography about Senator J. McCain which clearly indicated to me that Senator McCain would not abuse his power when he becomes president as he more than once refused special treatment when he was a POW. It's having these values and as well as having a more profound understanding of honour which predicates Senator J. McCain's qualifications for President. Obama isn't as high minded as projected because as soon as I saw Mr. Clinton's endorsement of Sen. Obama I became concerned about integrity and abuse of priviledge which was rampant when Mr. Clinton was president. McCain is more than "still in" he is the winner as he has developed his political career upon those foundations which the U.S. was built upon. God and Country first.
beavis_the_wise wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 05:27 pm (UTC)
Re: contradiction
God first? What the hell country is this?
sahmahnthah wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 04:34 pm (UTC)
Re: contradiction
The U.S. Look at your paper currency. In God We Trust is written right on it.
evespikey wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 06:02 pm (UTC)
Re: contradiction
So you can't be atheist and be American?
thepix wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 06:36 pm (UTC)
Didn't your mothers ever tell you: Beware of Demicrats baring gifts. ;)

Who do think is going to be paying for these gifts? Nothing is free. It all come withe a price, one way or another.
rotte_volf wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 07:39 pm (UTC)
appeal to Mr Obama
We the modern artists appeal to Mr Obama to support the manifesto "Dyudrok" - the programm of new reality. We hope, that if he will be elected President of the US give it for the consideration of US Congress.

Manifesto "Dyudrok"

(New Experimental Art)

1. In connection with the so-called global crisis art movement "POP-REVOLUTION"
(with the partial assistance of ART-REVOLUTION) and the artist Artyom Suslov
as well as several other free artists decided to create and implement the concept of
promotion of new art "Dyudrok."

The essence of this art is to re-establish the own way of avant-garde and surrealism.
Dyudrok included any avant-garde and modern art with blurred boundaries of genres and
unlimited fantasy of the author.

At the moment, the world economic system as well as world political system infringe
on the majority of rights, freedoms, opportunities and even hopes of man.
In this regard, decreasing the creative capacity of most people because
it decreases the level and scope of vision as well as the hope of translating its
into reality. At the time of the current crisis, a simple man forgets about high ideals,
he dreams at a low level. Dyudrok must to protect people from objective reality.
We believe - the objective reality that is at this level of crisis can and should move to
second place. We have the right to push it into second place if we give to the man a
new reality, which will carry the title of "objective". what is now "objective" will take
second place, or just disappear for a man.

Accordingly, we believe that everyone, regardless of his religious beliefs, his status in
the society, and regardless of the sanctions, which in future could be taken against the
"Dyudrok" has the right to go to the new reality at any time, partially or completely .

2. In our view, any human rights organization and any commission or authority that
to deal with human rights have the obligation to protect the right of every adult
in the transition, partial or complete, in a different reality.

3. If the man who entirely gone in a different reality according with the laws of this reality
can no longer be capable - this is his personal decision as the new reality does not contradict
the existing laws and not causing harm to anyone. Neither does the campaign leading cause harm.
No one is obliged to support the individual's life in old reality when he left a letter of
advice (note) with the signatures of witnesses.

4. The departure of a reality, as well as assistance in this, not an injury to humans,
because the only thing involved in this process - the human imagination.
But imagination does not belong to the bodi, as well as the experiments of the imagination
is not harmful for the rights of mental functions.
Accordingly, there is no room for any regulations on the intentional infliction of harm or death to
humans. Also note that imagination is fully subject to his master.

5. Relatives and friends of man who passed away in a different reality have the right to challenge the
decision through the courts or through the human rights organizations and and demand to return
him to the reality in which they are located. In doing so, c. 5 is partly contrary to the core - 1 item,
and further debate on this soil can be resolved only in the mutual agreement of the parties.

6. As Dyudrok is not limited with anything and depends only on the human imagination,
it does not conflict with any law and religious customs.

7. For the same reason (not limited and opportunity
giving own properties) Dyudrok and concept its development
and its veneration is not any organization or religion
nor the political movement. Because Dyudrok do not have its own symbols and beliefs.

The author of the Manifesto is Artyom Suslov.
Art - Movement "POP-REVOLUTION"
greendemqueen wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 08:57 pm (UTC)
All I can say is that no matter who wins this election, we need to really start focusing a lot more on being "environmentally smart" in this counrty. I do feel that Obama's plan to green things up is better since he is less for the offshore drilling and can see that we simply cannot just build some large number of nuclear power plants at one time. It costs a lot and with McCains proposed spending freeze, I don't see how he expects to be able to build any. I do think, however, that either man will definitely help the enviroment a lot more than Bush ever did with his deregulations etc.

I would love a green job btw!
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