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Peter Tatchell writes again:

Around 13 million US voters have been purged from the electoral rolls since 2004. That's 10 per cent of the 120 million votes cast in 2004 and twice as many voters as have been added through recent massive voter registration drives.

The proportion of electors dropped from the voters' lists is staggering: 17 per cent in Colorado, 15 per cent in Washington State, 14 per cent in New York, 13 per cent in Nevada and 10 per cent   in Missouri.

This means that millions of Americans will not be allowed to vote on 4 November. It could cost Barack Obama the White House, even if he is ahead in the opinion polls on 4 November. Read more.

Question: Do you share Peter's thoughts - that the Democratic Party naively assume that their big voter registration drive and Obama’s poll lead will give them victory, regardless of the election bias. But that is what they said about John Kerry in 2004....


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jeffxandra wrote:
Oct. 28th, 2008 01:44 pm (UTC)
I want to stress that there have been vote suppression efforts by the GOP both in the past and in the current election. (Not to say that Dems haven't done this but the past few significant suppression efforts have largely been of GOP making)

That said, there are legitimate reasons for being purged from an electoral roll (death, moved, (in some states)conviction of a crime) and using the data in the fashion you have does not critically analyze it.

It is both inaccurate and alarmist.

The Democractic party is not sitting back and hoping. There are networks of lawyers (for both parties) waiting to pounce on alleged electoral issues on November 4th.
purplehamsa wrote:
Oct. 28th, 2008 02:07 pm (UTC)
While I am worried about voter suppression, I am also confident that the Obama/Biden Campaign has many competent lawyers investigating and when necessary litigating.

I read that that 1.9M Georgia inquiries were a technical glitch that resubmitted the same names for verification multiple times. Their actual number is still high, but one can see how only 260K out of 1.9M of the most doubious registrations were deleted--because the real number of inquiries was closer to 700K.

There is also the alternative of provisional ballots. Voters who believe they are being improperly denied the vote can use the provisional ballot. Although these are more complicated and often aren't counted, they are important in the case of close results. A provisional ballot might be the deciding vote!

Both campaigns have legal teams to investigate, and as necessary litigate, any reports of voter suppression or other improper conduct. I know the Obama/Biden Campaign will have a number people can call to report problems on election day. YOUR JOB IS TO VOTE!

I will be working at a local (PA Bucks County) polling place for the Obama/Biden campaign to report problems to the lawyers, if necessary. I am sure that similar systems will be in place anywhere the campaign anticipates problems.

freak2760 wrote:
Oct. 28th, 2008 02:37 pm (UTC)
I am also confident that the Obama/Biden Campaign has many competent lawyers investigating and when necessary litigating.

The foul up that was Florida in 2000 is going to look like a picnic if this starts up again.
pariskan wrote:
Oct. 28th, 2008 03:03 pm (UTC)
As jeffxandra wrote, people are removed from electoral rolls for a variety of reasons. Usually it means that the person is 1) dead, 2) gone or 3) hasn't been voting in a certain number of years anyway, so probably won't be voting in that precinct this time either.

The big voter registration drives will be more likely to affect the outcome of the election than the purging.

Personally, I've always found it incredibly simple to register to vote. What's the big deal anyway?
spaceygirl2000 wrote:
Oct. 28th, 2008 03:03 pm (UTC)
I doubt they would let it happen again, at least not so soon. there would be a huge uproar I am sure. many people seem to think that none of the politicians are paying attention, that only the american people read the newspaper and read about the polls. it is like being afraid that Obama is setting himself up to get assassinated - I think he knows the risk he is taking, and I think the Democrats are well aware of the voter suppression issue, and are probably paying very close attention to what is happening.
tsmitty31 wrote:
Oct. 28th, 2008 03:18 pm (UTC)
When it comes to tactics such as manipulating voter registration, I'm as paranoid as they come. That being said, the Obama campaign has given every indication that they are prepared for every contingency. This is a group of dedicated, smart people who have dotted their I's and crossed their T's. They are well aware of these tactics and prepared for them.

I hope...
fauxklore wrote:
Oct. 28th, 2008 03:19 pm (UTC)
The problem was exacerbated this year by the transition to a reliance on database software that purges people for things like using their middle initial instead of their full middle name (triggering a discrepancy).

I read about one jurisdiction which abandoned the software after it claimed that 4 of the 6 judges dealing with the question of its validity had their eligibility to vote questioned.

In my district, they've sent out new voter registration cards to everyone. That was pretty widely publicized so it was easy for somebody to verify if they had been erroneously purged. (I am not sure if this was statewide in Virginia or specific to Fairfax County.)

But I know this has not always happened in other places. Some years ago in Los Angeles, I arrived at a polling place where I had voted at least 3 times previously and they didn't have me on the records, requiring me to fill out a provisional ballot (which I am sure was not counted, though it would not have made an actual difference in that particular local election). When I followed up with the registrar of voters, they claimed to have me registered at my previous address, which I had left a couple of years earlier. They claimed it was probably the Y2K problem mangling their databases. I fixed it by re-registering, but it was an interesting indication of how screwed up the process can be.

I also know that, historically, different jurisdictions have not shared information when people move and reregister. My mother is a long time poll worker and her district (where I had first registered to vote and had voted exactly once) still had me on their records for a few years after I had moved to Massachusetts and registered there, giving them my old New York address in the "previous registration" field.
euchreman wrote:
Oct. 28th, 2008 04:54 pm (UTC)
Well that is what Kerry might have assumed in 2004, that isn't what occurred. In 2004, he didn't get them to the polls in the first place. So, I don't think Obama has to worry much.
millenium_king wrote:
Oct. 28th, 2008 05:34 pm (UTC)
Biased Fear-Mongering
This is absurd fear-mongering. Leftist groups have been against voter-roll "purging" even when such measures seek to remove the deceased and those who have moved out of state. This is what lets fraudulent groups like ACORN register the lineup of the Dallas Cowboys to vote in two states.

Furthermore, the same groups attempt to block voter ID laws (which have been upheld as constitutional, by-the-way) because they will "disenfranchise" people. The only people they will disenfranchise are the non-citizens their voter-registration drives have register.

Of course there are errors with the purging process, but to say that voter rolls should never be updated is absolutely insane!
(no subject) - (Anonymous) - Oct. 28th, 2008 05:44 pm (UTC)
millenium_king wrote:
Oct. 29th, 2008 05:27 pm (UTC)
Totally Agree
Right on right on!
libertyed wrote:
Nov. 1st, 2008 11:11 pm (UTC)
Your right's of freedom...?

Yes you had vote fraud, in Florida in 2000, thats how you got the "Fool" who resides in the White House today.

Will there be fraud again...? maybe...!

So what can you do...? Nothing...!

Remember, The Supream Courts are all appointees...?

And who puts them in there, your President...

You see, one back scraches the other's back, like corporate america.

Tell your Senetors, "enough, is enough" and that you want accountatible, for there actions.

Stand up Working America, and be heard. Don't let Corporate America strip your diginty away, before it's lost...

Your freedom of Liberty or what's left off it, has slowly been eroded

in the last several years. Time to wake up...?

Ed :)


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polarisdib wrote:
Oct. 28th, 2008 10:31 pm (UTC)
They said that about John Kerry in 2004? I don't remember that, I don't really remember anyone thinking that Kerry truly had a chance. Oh well.

millenium_king wrote:
Oct. 29th, 2008 05:28 pm (UTC)
The media sure thought he would win. That's why I think this election is hardly in the bag - for either side.
polarisdib wrote:
Oct. 30th, 2008 04:32 am (UTC)
During the 2004 election, I was in quite a few media criticism, journalism, and communications classes that paid a lot of attention to the different ways in which the election was treated through various media. I remember "The Media" (you know, those guys, damned those guys) thought John Kerry could win and, in the case of those media outlets that liked him, struggled to show why he should win, but basically my primary memory of the 2004 election as a vague construct was of people saying, "Well, we might as well not vote for Ralph Nader because Kerry is gonna need the most help he can get."

But that's just me. I could be wrong.

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