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... and probably doesn't earn enough to make his questions to Obama much of a personal issue. Read more on this

Question: Aside from the fact that Samuel "Joe" Wurzelbacher is probably regretting butting in to a conversation with Obama, and John McCain is maybe feeling he shouldn't have used him so much in the last debate, does 'Joe's' point matter. Does his newly revealed status make his points any less real and has anyone come out ahead in this strange little episode?

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ariel817 wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 11:31 am (UTC)
Whatever, it's not about Joe. It's about Obama's answer, and Joe didn't put the words into his mouth.
gem77 wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 11:46 am (UTC)
What was wrong with Obama's answer?




Did he say spread the wealth around? OMGZ!!! Is he talking about socialism?!?!?! That is the scariest word ever! Let's all go run and hide!

If Joe ever buys this business, he and his employees will drive on roads to get to work. His plumbing supplies will be shipped in on federal roads. He and his employees will use federal roads to get to jobs. That's one example of why he should pay more. He benefits much more from the system and the way it's set up than Joe the Cubicle Worker.


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tinylegacies wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 11:47 am (UTC)
From what I've read about the exchange, Obama was honest with the guy, which I appreciate in a politician since it's so rare.

I think that it's going to reflect badly on McCain - especially if it turns out that Joe is related to Keating. It'll make him look like a plant and a poorly vetted one at that.
carmy_w wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 02:34 pm (UTC)
I think he was/is a plant.

In the past...4 elections? Clear back since GHWB, Republican campaigns have used plants, shills, what have you, to discredit their opponents. Why should this campaign be any different?
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jeffxandra wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 12:30 pm (UTC)
has anyone come out ahead in this strange little episode?

People who are attempting to debunk the myth of a liberal media
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polarisdib wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 06:06 pm (UTC)
"Joe the Plumber" replaced "Joe Six-Pack", incidentally happening to be a tax-evading real person. The arguments don't change, the focus changes and Joe the Plumber becomes a good scape-goat for McCain's campaign's failings as to its back-up research and use of permission (like all the problems its had with, y'know, the music industry recently?). Nobody has come out ahead, but Joe the Plumber has lost his privacy.

--DiB
ariel817 wrote:
Oct. 18th, 2008 02:23 am (UTC)
Excuse me. Excuse me!

As far as I know (and point me to the link if I am wrong) -- McCain has PROPERLY paid for licensing and permissions for various songs (including Barracuda).

The only *problem* is Heart doesn't like Republicans, and doesn't LIKE him using it.... but he is using it LEGALLY and PROPERLY.
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bastblack wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 07:16 pm (UTC)
Question: ...does 'Joe's' point matter. Does his newly revealed status make his points any less real and has anyone come out ahead in this strange little episode?

Joe "The Plummer" is relevant in 2 ways:

1) It shows the bad decision making happening in the McCain camp and eagerness of the right-wing propaganda machine to shout about anything they're told to shout about without using their heads. Yet again, the McCain people don't veet, and just like Sarah Palin, Joe "The Plummer" has blown-up in McCain's face and is taking the Right Wing media with them further down the no-credibility trail of election doom.

2) The truth is Joe would be better off under Obama's tax plan. The "Joe" situation ends up arguing *FOR* Obama's plan.

randy_68 wrote:
Oct. 18th, 2008 01:21 am (UTC)
I argue these points, but you seem to be firmly in the Obama kool-aid sipping camp.

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basilwhite wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 07:45 pm (UTC)
Joe believes that Obama will raise his taxes because fear-driven problem-solvers buy what the Republicans sell them. Joe would like to make the $250K in annual profit it would take to pay more taxes under the Obama plan, but he doesn't, so what he fears doesn't match the reality of the situation.

Fear works. Fear gets ideologues elected, fills campaign coffers and gets people to trade human rights and privacy for the illusion of safety. People like Joe buy the fear because fear-driven politicians remind Joe of himself, so he buys their trickle-down snake oil economics.

Joe can go to hell.

randy_68 wrote:
Oct. 18th, 2008 01:33 am (UTC)
Nice. So you'd rather shoot the guy who asked a question, than question the guy who appears to be socialist in nature.

What a wonderful person you are.
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takemetothesea wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 09:18 pm (UTC)
Let's not forget...
that Joe the Plumber is not registered to vote in the state of Ohio.
Supposedly.
randy_68 wrote:
Oct. 18th, 2008 01:22 am (UTC)
Re: Let's not forget...
He is registered. Independent I believe I saw, he voted GOP in the last election IIRC.
grace_om wrote:
Oct. 18th, 2008 01:01 am (UTC)
It's not about "Joe" or his "point." It's about Obama's comment re "spreading the wealth around." While "spreading the wealth around" is NOT the same thing as "redistribution of wealth," the latter is what McCain morphed it into, in order to try to associate Obama with the ultimate buzzword: "socialism."

Nevermind that we already have a graduated income tax in this country, and I don't believe McCain has any plans to change it to a flat tax (of course there's always next week...). When Obama talks about adjusting the tax brackets to benefit people on middle class incomes, McCain morphs it into "class warfare."

What makes me laugh so hard (so I don't cry) are the brass balls it takes to paste these labels on Obama while our government is busy *nationalizing* failing financial institutions as fast as it can. Oh, and BOTH candidates have signed on to and supported this effort.

I want an icon that says, "Socialism: UR doin' it wrong"
ariel817 wrote:
Oct. 18th, 2008 02:25 am (UTC)
Please explain to me the difference between "spreading the wealth around" and "redistribution of wealth" as they sound pretty much the same on the face of it to me.
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bubbak wrote:
Oct. 18th, 2008 01:11 am (UTC)
He is an Average Joe
It's very simple He said something that Obama did not like and now he is in trouble. This is troubling. I understand that the present administration basically ruined the economy that it will take years to fix but most people seem to be voting in spite, that's not good. We are headed for scary times.
randy_68 wrote:
Oct. 18th, 2008 01:28 am (UTC)
Re: He is an Average Joe
1) yes. Joe came out with a question that made Obama give his actual belief in tax & spend.

2) This administration did not ruin the economy. This house of cards was started back in 1994 with the 102nd congress and the Clinton administration. Basically the government told banks they needed to change there lending rules to make more lower income people eligible for housing loans.

Fannie and Freddie execs were given bonuses to meet quoting of buying mortgages from the market. The exec cooked the books to appear that those institutions were on stable ground.

This administration made attempts, approx. 17 times, to get congress to address the coming problems, but were blocked by the Dem majority everytime.

Go to youtube and search democrat +freddie mac and watch the 2004 banking subcommittee accusing the investigators of bringing false records and charges that either institution was in trouble.

It galls me that the Dems can get away with saying it's not their fault when it can slearly be traced back to them.
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ariel817 wrote:
Oct. 18th, 2008 04:00 am (UTC)
Having trouble following the thread - who is this addressed to or which post?
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zarabithia wrote:
Oct. 18th, 2008 05:17 am (UTC)
I've voted for both parties in the past, including once for GWB. I think party loyalty is a stupid concept. Vote for the person, not the party.

That being said? Frankly, Joe is a moron. The fact that he isn't licensed matters little.

I run a part time small business, and within the next year, it is going to be full time. That is the reason I am going to vote for Obama, because I have to make a hell of a lot more than my business is likely to before McCain cares about cutting me a tax break.

Joe the Plumber doesn't represent a small business owner's needs, and the fact that McCain brought him out and trotted him around as though he did? Only further lowered my already small opinion of him.

You make more, you pay a higher percentage in everything - food, entertainment, rent - taxes shouldn't be any different.
ariel817 wrote:
Oct. 18th, 2008 12:12 pm (UTC)
Funny, when Republicans dropped all tax brackets, did that not count as a tax break for you?

Party affiliation does provide a window into ideology, and while I agree being blinded 100% by ideology is dangerous, it's also foolish to ignore whose policies a candidate chooses to align themselves with.

If an ill-timed tax increase negatively affects the economy, will that not impact your business at any scale of revenue?

If you have any retirement savings or college savings in the stock market, and those companies are slammed with new taxes, does that not affect you as well? Soak the rich is all fine and dandy, but the middle class are significant investors in the stock market, and are therefore partial owners of many of those companies!
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euchreman wrote:
Oct. 18th, 2008 03:55 pm (UTC)
The issue
I don't think that this revelation really matters a whole lot. (And I am sure the majority of the people who watched the debate who don't live in Ohio, probably won't even get the update). I think the difference in the tax plans are the same as always. Democrats won't to make things a little more fair and Republicans want to help the rich get richer.

I think what McCain was trying to do was to scare the small population of small business owning Democrats, to think that their usual party affiliation will hurt them. I don't think that it worked...Joe or no Joe.
ariel817 wrote:
Oct. 18th, 2008 11:52 pm (UTC)
That's the beauty of Joe
I was telling my husband about how this thread is making my head hurt.. there's so many little trails and mini-threads within -- and I mentioned it started with Joe, but gets into taxation, school performance, health care plans, etc.... as he said it, that's the beauty of Joe!
hallyluia wrote:
Oct. 19th, 2008 01:11 am (UTC)
Yes, it matters. If wealth doesn't trickle down, harship certainly will.
His point totally matters. All the average "Joe" (excuse the pun) on the street cares about right now are his own 2 cents. In the panic with Wall Street and the housing market we fail to look at the whole picture. If Obama for instance is offering "more in tax breaks" to the middle class that's not going to mean a whole lot if people aren't being taxed anyway because they have no jobs. No job means no income means no taxes, hence no tax break. Simple really. We can't afford to push more of our businesses overseas or cause them to downsize because they are being taxed out of business. If wealth doesn't trickle down, harship certainly does.
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