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Politically incorrect question

  • Oct. 16th, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Both candidates have carefully avoided the issue of race. It’s always been said that Americans have been brought up not to take skin color into consideration.
But is race not an issue? We don’t want to know if the race of the candidate matters to you personally, but don’t you think that race is more important in the contest than has been acknowledged by opinion leaders and the public at large?



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akasa wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 08:41 am (UTC)
As much as we would like to say "No it doesn't play a part," it does.
Many African Americans are voting for him with race as a big reason. GOP members have tried saying that Obama will never get the Latino vote because Afriucan Americans came as slaves and Latinos came as conquerors. There are many racist white people who refuse to vote for Obama because he is half white, half black.
Fox has even been a bit racist in their news coverage saying things like Michelle is Obama's "baby momma" among other things. Just do a search on youtube for Fox attacks. Better yet I'll save you teh trouble and link it for you.
brennakimi wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 01:49 pm (UTC)
because African Americans came as slaves and Latinos came as conquerors.

lol. wut?
yeah. except not.
capra124 wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 09:37 am (UTC)
Race is always an issue, even if it isn't discussed. Same goes for gender. Traditionally, WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) males have been in office, with a few exceptions (Kennedy for one). The thought of a woman, or anyone who wasn't white is thought of as counter to what the office and thus the nation are supposed to stand for. Despite what isn't being said by the opinion leaders, race most definitely plays a role in this election. During the primaries, the Democrats had to choose between a white woman and a black man. The debates over that choice were rampant: 'I'd rather have a white woman in office than a black man' was heard often by myself, and likely others. If one looks at this nation's own history, racism is still going strong today, even if we don't want to admit it. One of my friends even commented that if Obama won the election, the risk of an assassination is high because of his own heritage. Not necessarily his politics, although that would be part of it too.
jeffxandra wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 01:12 pm (UTC)
Aside from Kennedy, the only other non-protestant was Lincoln who was not a member of any organized religion whatsoever.

Incidentally though, the perspective on religion has changed over the years. When Kennedy ran, there were concerns raised by the Republicans that he would "follow the orders" of the Catholic Church. Nowadays, Republicans tend to warn that someone will not adhere to religious doctrine.
(no subject) - capra124 - Oct. 16th, 2008 06:34 pm (UTC) Expand
mermccau wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 10:48 am (UTC)
I think Obama has to walk that fine line of trying to appeal to all. He is black in appearance but he cannot be "black" in attitude, whatever that means. It is too damned scary for people, unfortunately.

I was listening to a commentary recently that addressed this a bit. Even though Obama strikes me as a person who is even tempered anyway, the commentary was saying that he has to be. Any sign of the "angry black man" and people will freak out.
hoppytoad79 wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 11:53 am (UTC)
Anyone who says race isn't an issue is lying or in denial. Of course race is an issue with some voters. Sad, but true.
(no subject) - swaney3 - Oct. 16th, 2008 01:15 pm (UTC) Expand
jeffxandra wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 01:21 pm (UTC)
Just for the record...
I hate greenies and I don't want them anywhere in my neighborhood, town, county, state, country, or even continent.
Re: Just for the record... - cscottd - Oct. 16th, 2008 06:27 pm (UTC) Expand
Don't be mean to the green! - sophia_sadek - Oct. 16th, 2008 11:24 pm (UTC) Expand
jeffxandra wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 01:17 pm (UTC)
The Angry White Man
While race will continue to be an issue in this country, both for good and for ill, McCain did a lot to hurt himself in these debates concerning those who would be concerned by the race issue.

The stereotypical white fear of people of color is the "Angry Black (Hispanic, Arab, Brown, whatever) Man". Every time McCain got agitated, angry, frustrated, while Obama retained his composure, damaged that stereotype and reduced that fear.

Having one debater get angry can really help the other, regardless of race. Having the stereotypically "not angry" debater get flustered while the "angry" one remains calm, I suspect, enhances that benefit.
bossiballs wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 01:47 pm (UTC)
Elephants in the room.
Being black is the new black.

It still does not matter what colour your skin is.

Bigotry is no longer the driving dynamic.

Fundamentalism is a function of bigotry.

America is showing its true colours finally.

And we the people are just about to get on top of
Governments, the way that Governments are just about to get on top of

Capitalism just went the way of Communism, and ultimately any ism.

The principle remains, the ideology is displaced when the
hubris turns inevitably to catastrophy.

Barak Obama is not primarily operating from a fundamentalists mindset.
He is the front man for a genuine paradigm shift.

No matter how unconsciously, we all get it.
bridgeweaver wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 01:48 pm (UTC)
"You know, someone ought to shoot that nigger sonofabitch!" (A quote overheard in a Chelsea Michigan bar. No one said a damned thing, according to the witness who told me this story.)
tyskkvinna wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 01:57 pm (UTC)
Of course it's an issue. Obama can't bring it up himself - he'll instantly be labelled as "running for black interest" or something along those lines. McCain can't bring it up either, for then he'd be labelled the "racist white man". But it's still there.
brennakimi wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 01:58 pm (UTC)
i don't think race has been ignored at all in this election.
jessicasoderman wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 03:14 pm (UTC)
Racism is absurd in this day and age. I hope we would come further than this by now. People know that humans are equal, race is just about where your ancestors are from, and that the pursuit of happiness is universal.

It's human to fear what we don't know, and racism is a direct result of fear. The people who remain fearful and then turn angry are wrong. You remember, fear is how Bush got "elected" [twice].

Fear will keep the US below-average for an industrialized nation.

Racism [fear] will play a card with those uninformed voters who still believe that Barack Obama is a Muslim, or that he's a terrorist due to his middle name, Hussein. The ignorant, uninformed, social-issue voters who don't vote on the political issues.

Do your research, learn that Barack Obama is half-caucasian, half-african american, and get over whatever mis-conceptions you had for someone who looks different than the usual candidates.
albapandakat wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 12:21 am (UTC)
Absurd does not mean vanished...
Racism is an absurd, irrational, and ultimately violent mindset, but that doesn't mean that people don't still have it. Obama being half Caucasian/half African American has already been stated in the comments previous to your own, several times, I believe.

Also, side note, what about "the ignorant, uninformed, social-issue voters who don't vote on the political issues"? There seems to be a few grammatical pieces missing in that sentence. Could you clarify?
Re: Absurd does not mean vanished... - jessicasoderman - Oct. 17th, 2008 06:12 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Absurd does not mean vanished... - albapandakat - Oct. 17th, 2008 08:38 pm (UTC) Expand
grace_om wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 03:52 pm (UTC)
I've been shocked at how many people are willing to have a microphone and camera shoved in their face while they exclaim for the world to see that they can't bring themselves to vote for a black man (or an Arab, or whatever they think he is). I would have expected people to try to veil their racism behind some other made-up reason. And don't kid yourself, all the whispering about Obama being a secret Muslim, as well as the "he's not an American like us" rhetoric...it's deliberately trying to tap into racist sentiment.

OTOH, I see people like my parents -- who are older than McCain, and weren't exactly raised in open-minded environments -- who have no hesitations about supporting Obama as the better candidate.

We shall see how it plays out in the voting booth.

hazelwindows wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 12:11 am (UTC)
Well spotted, I totally agree.
passionsdelite wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 05:38 pm (UTC)

It's so sad that in this day and age people still look at the color of others "skin” or “ race or religion" to determine if he or she is the most qualified person for any office. When will it stop? I wish I knew.

Who I want in office is the person I believe is best for the office, NO matter what political party they belong too, no matter what race, religion or the color of their skin is. I look beyond those things, I LOOK at the person and what that person has to say to make my judgment if he or she is the best person for whatever office they are running for.

It's no wonder that with all the wonderful things about this country there is, that still something like this (race, religion, skin color) still come into play. Wake up my fellow Americans, look beyond those things.

pariskan wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 06:55 pm (UTC)
If race were truly that large of an issue, Obama would not be where he is today, leading in the polls and still gaining.

Yes, it's there. But it's it the background. I'm sure there were just as many people who couldn't bring themselves to vote for a Catholic, or a Mormon. Race/Religion; it's just another way of being "different" than a particular voter. There are plenty of people who won't vote for someone who's pro-life, or pro-choice. There are plenty of people who claim they'll flee the country if McCain is elected.

It's an issue, but it's only one of many. It is no longer the overriding issue that is was in days that are now thankfully past.
lishypo wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 07:02 pm (UTC)
It's a huge issue, at least from the part of the US I'm from. Many people in my family are, quite sadly, extremely narrow-minded, and many have openly admitted to not voting for Obama because he is black or Muslim. However, it seems my family may have some good and some smarts left in them yet. Ever since Palin came along and McCain's true colors started to show, they're very much for Obama now. They've actually paid attention to the issues and looked beyond his skin color to realize his skin has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the person he is, or the type of president he could be.

The rest of racist society, I can only hope for a change that I doubt will ever come.
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