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Obama the terrorist?

  • Oct. 9th, 2008 at 10:49 AM
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Leonard Doyle writes on our blog about  claims from the McCain camp that 'Barack Obama's friend tried to kill my family', while McCain's 'warm-up man' refers to Obama as Barack Hussein Obama. And he's not the only one.

Question: Is this level of sniping unusual in US politics or is the McCain camp getting seriously desparate?

Edit: More on the claims from McCain supporters that Obama is a traitor.

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red_pill wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 06:06 pm (UTC)
cant sayu for sure, but it sure seems bloody by brit standerds...
merenwentari wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 06:24 pm (UTC)
I would say that Yes, it is unusual, and yes, McCain is getting desperate.

Instead of leading in a positive manner, which is what Senator Obama is doing (and frankly, I believe, is the reason he has such a following), Senator McCain is taking the negative route and doing everything he can to discredit the man who is can clearly take the American People in the direction they wish to go.

McCain knows he is losing, Palin knows she is losing, so they are doing their best to bring Obama down, even if that means lying and inciting to riot.
(no subject) - boodgieman - Oct. 9th, 2008 06:07 pm (UTC)
ex_paul_pav wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 06:12 pm (UTC)
His camp getting seriously ill!
inksplotched wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 06:14 pm (UTC)
Calling him a terrorist and tying him to the Middle East in a way clearly intended to be malicious... that's going way far. As far as unusual, that's difficult to say, because - how many candidates like Obama have we had? Mudslinging's always been a part of American politics, but this is a unique situation.

But the McCain camp is getting desperate, yes. I don't know why there's an or in your question, I think the two options go hand in hand.
(no subject) - (Anonymous) - Oct. 9th, 2008 06:14 pm (UTC)
gippssi wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 06:25 pm (UTC)
he's surrounded himself with people who are just not clever enough to pull off a proper dog whistle

All you have to do is look at his running mate. I wont even say her name, her voice is like nails on a chalkboard. As a friend of mine said recently "The "down home" speech and cutesy talk really turns my stomach. I want the leader (and vice leader) of my country to sound educated and intelligent. Not back woodsy or down homesy."
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elfgrove wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 06:19 pm (UTC)
"Question: Is this level of sniping unusual in US politics or is the McCain camp getting seriously desparate?"

Usually when one uses "or" in a question, they have to mutually exclusive concepts rather than two phrases that could be considered to be the same thing. It's mincing words, but that sort of thing can be viewed as a leading question. An example of a flatly impartial request for consenting opinions rather than an open query for discourse.

Personally, remembering some of the ads and rumors from prior years, I'd say this is typical US politics at work. I seem to remember a lot of unofficial campain groups and sources within campains making claims Clinton had had people killed to cover up various things including the blue dress affair. And similar such things from both sides of the ballot. It wasn't official campain rhetoric, but it got around all right.


Edited at 2008-10-09 06:23 pm (UTC)
igor734 wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 06:43 pm (UTC)
As I remember logic classes, "A or B is true" means "either A is true, or B is true, or they both are true". :)
(no subject) - elfgrove - Oct. 9th, 2008 07:31 pm (UTC) Expand
grace_om wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 06:22 pm (UTC)
To be successful in politics one has to be acquainted with huge numbers of people. Statistics and probability pretty much guarantee that some of these people will have criminal records or otherwise unsavory histories. Yes, politicians have to be careful of their close associates, but that's different from vetting everyone you come in contact with in every capacity. McCain and Palin have some pretty unsavory "pals" as well, whose activities and statements they have not repudiated (while Obama has loudly and repeatedly condemned Ayers' actions with the Weather Underground).

This is the first campaign I can recall when candidates themselves tried to smear their opponent using words such as "terrorist" and "liar." Usually they put a layer of dissociation between the candidate and this kind of crap.

The McCain camp is definitely plumbing new depths.
brennakimi wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 06:31 pm (UTC)
lol. that first article is cute. given that guy was 9 then, he probably knew ayers better.

as it is, i've a master's in polisci and i'm left of the whole country and once even took a course on social protest... i had no idea who ayers was until all this. i'd hardly call him a celebrity of the left. maybe to the elf, but not to the "left."

broad paint brushes don't tend to be used by those interested in detail or realism.

in any case, yes. it's both unusual and a sign of desperation. i just really didn't expect this kind of nastiness. i mean. i should have. but i would have thought the unique situation would warrant more care around the higher scrutiny of ads against a minority candidate. nope. open season.

some people have no shame.
loveless wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 06:40 pm (UTC)
i think it's sad to resort to racism to promote yourself. even sadder that it speaks big to a lot of the US. in a lot of countries you'd be fired for that Hussein remark.
merenwentari wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 09:54 pm (UTC)
Yes, and they should be called to task for make the Hussein remark here, as well, but unfortunately we have a lot of uneducated, follow-like-sheep people who don't think for themselves and blindly follow where they are told to go.

I'm just one of MANY in this country who have about had it with racism, religious hatred and all of their accompanying ugliness. There is no use for them by any thinking, feeling individual or culture.

What McCain and Palin are doing with their remarks is inciting to riot their followers, and in so doing they will cause undo harm to anyone who is a Muslim (or any other religion that isn't "their" religion). In doing this, people will be harmed (and have been harmed already -- the gassing of Muslim children at a Dayton, Ohio mosque is just ONE story http://current.com/topics/88842061_gassing ), and the world would have every right to look at us and state that we are the hatemongers.

We have to bring them to task now, and stop this before irrevocable harm is done.
xtremeroswellia wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 06:42 pm (UTC)
McCain: Desperate and pathetic.
hazelwindows wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 07:21 pm (UTC)
I'd LOL, but it's so incredibly true that it kind of kills the punch line.
(no subject) - (Anonymous) - Oct. 9th, 2008 06:54 pm (UTC)
oleposya wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 07:18 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately it DOES work on narrow-minded people and this is the reason WHY politician does use those tactics. :(((((
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greendemqueen wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 07:29 pm (UTC)
That is the same logic that the McCain campaign used to say that Palin knows about Russia because her state is their "neighbor" and that Russia can be seen on a clear day from the shore.
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yardlong wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 07:07 pm (UTC)
I think McCain is a dangerous man, and is showing it. I hope Obama doesn't respond in kind, but in truth, dignity and strength. Should Obama become our next president, it will demonstrate that one can win without being vile or violent.
hazelwindows wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 07:16 pm (UTC)
I agree. This would make it a real victory indeed.
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wackinessensues wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 07:18 pm (UTC)
I agree, this is way too far, even for the Republicans who have a long history of attempting to slaughter their opponents.

What is truly dangerous are the shout outs not coming from the candidates themselves, but the hand-picked audience members at their rallies. McCain and Palin are encouraging their base to shout out these horrible things (terrorist, kill him, the N word), and not once that I've seen have they so much as flinched, they just keep on going, inciting the crowds into a lather.

Call it dirty politics if you want, but it's basically calling upon the most base, racist instincts of the most extreme of their base and giving it as much press as they can.

It's wholly disgusting, and I find it just appalling. The only saving grace of all of this is that the Obamas are taking the 'I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to' approach and turning the other cheek.
shortputt wrote:
Oct. 9th, 2008 07:22 pm (UTC)
Despirate? Really?
President Jimmy Carter had a sizable lead in the polls over an underrated and much spoofed B Movie Actor, Governor Ronald Regan until two days prior to the election. The Regan campaign got a tad bit more aggressive as the election drew closer as I recall. Didn't the media write off Senator McCain during the primaries when he was carrying his own luggage on commercial airlines. Perhaps Senator Obama's lead will result in an electoral victory however that would be more of a blind faith position on the part of his campaign in light of historical facts. I feel rather certain that Senator Obama's campaign isn't sending back any contributions as of yet although it is curious that they now have their own 24 hour a day network on Dish Satelite TV. Senator McCain appears rather subdued for somebody who is allegedly desperate. Ali's famous "rope-a-dope" isn't some lost art.
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