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Poll #1271797 Who won the debate?

All eyes were focused on last night's VP debate... who do you think won?

Palin wiped the floor with Biden
Palin won - by a nose
It was a tie
Biden won in a squeaker
Biden ran away with it


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wackinessensues wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 03:59 pm (UTC)
My post here: http://itsabigrock.livejournal.com/627288.html pretty much sums up how I'm feeling right now.

I find Palin so completely anti-themic to everything I stand for and believe a leader should be. I am completely embarrassed, and frankly disgusted, that her brand of parodying herself is what my country has sunk to.
chorions wrote:
Oct. 4th, 2008 01:29 am (UTC)
The word you are looking for there is antithetic. Antithemic isn't a word.
fannyanns wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 04:15 pm (UTC)
I don't really think of debates as contests.
"debate" is a word that used to mean "a forthright discussion of issues."

now it's a soundbyte opportunity.

I think Biden answered the questions, Palin occasionally sounded utterly moronic, and that Palin didn't answer any of the questions asked.


It was also "let's yell at the television" time. so I might have missed a few things she said...
wackinessensues wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 04:24 pm (UTC)
Re: I don't really think of debates as contests.
I would be lost without DVR. I watched the debate once with a group of four friends and then later alone and still had to rewind several times because I couldn't stop fuming and squealing long enough to catch all of their comments.
tyskkvinna wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 04:19 pm (UTC)
If Palin had actually answered any of the questions she might have walked away from this winning- but she didn't.
absurdhero wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 04:20 pm (UTC)
Palin only won if you're easily swayed by snippy hockey moms.
fannyanns wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 07:48 pm (UTC)

joe sickpack and the hockey moms -- I think that's a great name for a band.
(no subject) - takemetothesea - Oct. 3rd, 2008 08:58 pm (UTC) Expand
bastblack wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 04:31 pm (UTC)
It's not a debate if she can't answer the questions she was asked.
kylecassidy wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 04:33 pm (UTC)
One sad thing about the state of debates is that no one was asked a question that they didn't have a prepared statement for. I don't know if this is simply the predictable nature of the questions, or if it was excellent prepping, but I think until you get someone "off book" you're just hearing the carefully planned answers of a group of speech writers. And the format of the debate allows the candidates to relatively easily ignore the question, or give it a one line answer and then drop prepared text about a non germane issue. The moderator should have the power (or the inclination) to interrupt and say "please answer the question."

As it stands, it's more a contest to determine who can memorize the greatest number of index cards.
credendovides wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 08:54 pm (UTC)
At least in Palin's case, it was more that she answered the question with a prepared answer that fit closest, which sometimes had nothing to do with the question. Biden did a little of that too, but he was better at staying on topic. Gwen called both of them out on not answering the question near the beginning though. I think you're right that they just try and memorize as many prepared statements as they can and reply to the questions.

The interesting part is when they try to rebut each other and facts start flying. Obviously the rallying cries that we've been hearing over and over they probably had prepared rebuttals to, but there were a few new facts that came out. However that was only a small part of the "debate".
(no subject) - wackinessensues - Oct. 3rd, 2008 09:29 pm (UTC) Expand
(no subject) - credendovides - Oct. 3rd, 2008 09:35 pm (UTC) Expand
jeffxandra wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 04:33 pm (UTC)
If we're grading on a curve, then I think both did better than expected, especially Palin, if all you knew was her two recent interveriews.

But clearly Biden showed his ability to think on the fly and actually answered the questions which Palin frequently ducked.

VP debates, in general, don't really change much. It can help a little as it did with Cheney in 2000. I think this will help reassure the hardcore base of each party, but probably doesn't make any significant change from before.
kphillips0910 wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 04:45 pm (UTC)
I think Biden ate Palin alive. So many times he corrected her and Palin didn't rally answer any of the questions being asked. At least we got SOME answers fom Biden.
dik727 wrote:
Oct. 5th, 2008 01:35 am (UTC)
I thought you would be with her but Im glad your not
Re: surprise - kphillips0910 - Oct. 5th, 2008 02:01 pm (UTC) Expand
dignam wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 05:28 pm (UTC)
The debate last night showed Biden in towering command of tax policy, of foreign policy, of domestic issues, of the nature of the American government itself, and the myriad ways in which Bush and McCain have failed on each. The debate also showed that Palin enjoys talking a lot, but remains rather disinclined to answer questions posed to her. I do give a lot of credit, however, to Palin's preppers, who were clearly effective in teaching her how to pronounce "Ahmadinejad." Three times fast. Let's give her credit – neither you nor I can do that.

The pundits and the columnists here in the US who applauded Palin's performance obviously didn't listen to a single word she said. I should cut them some slack – it was difficult to listen to her, especially when she would say (more or less): "Well, I don't know what the answer is, but what I really want to talk about is..."

In a college exam essay, if you or I decided to answer a different question because we didn't like the one we got, we'd receive a big fat F. Why Palin should receive credit for being able to issue a stream of words, however nonsensical, out of her mouth for a constant 90 seconds -- is far beyond my comprehension.
mightyafrodite wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 06:55 pm (UTC)
Egads, but thank you! I'm not sure what sort of litmus test people are using. The fact that she "held her own" says more about the format than it does her ability to answer important policy questions. She's not going to fall flat on her face in a format with 90 second answers and two 2-minute rebuttals.
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kevynjacobs wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 07:03 pm (UTC)
How do you define "won?"
psion_x wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 07:13 pm (UTC)
Biden wins, no fatality though.
redvodka wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 07:56 pm (UTC)
Repeated words
The only thing i remember Sarah Palin said in the entire debate is: Maverick, McCain, Soccer mom, Alaska, Soccer Mom.

You get my drift.

I meant no offense to soccer moms really, i think they are fantastic in juggling everything. But really, do soccer moms want someone like Palin as a VP? So what if she is a soccer mom. I'm sure there are soccer moms other soccer moms dislike and i hope Palin is a soccer mom, other soccer moms dislike.
takemetothesea wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 09:08 pm (UTC)
Re: Repeated words
You can't forget the part where she applauded Biden for loving Israel also.
Or the part where she made a "joke" and then said it was a joke that no one got..
I remember the part where Biden choked up over the single parent issue. But I don't really remember what was being said.. except the fact that Palin was involved.

She did throw in there hockey moms, too.
shattered_stash wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 07:56 pm (UTC)
hahaha, this "debate" was a good laugh that definitly needed.

palin got beat down.

which 3 people who answered this poll thought palin "wiped the floor with biden"??

HAHAHA! i don't know what debate you were watching, but this wasn't even fish in a barrel for biden...

think: fish duct-tapped to the side of building...

credendovides wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 08:49 pm (UTC)
I'm thinking fish in a barrel. As in, Mythbusters style. Their final take on it, that is.
hatusu wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 08:53 pm (UTC)
Every time Governor Palin chastised Senator Biden for focusing on the past eight years, I wanted to shout through the T.V.,
"Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice. Shame on us.", or more in Biden's style, "Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes."*

*Paraphrased from Santayana and Confucius.
dorisp wrote:
Oct. 5th, 2008 06:00 pm (UTC)
I think this is what you meant to say with that first quote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM
(no subject) - hatusu - Oct. 5th, 2008 08:56 pm (UTC) Expand
tinceiri wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 10:10 pm (UTC)
I don't have a preference for either Sarah Palin or Joe Biden, so here's my (relatively) unbiased opinion.

I can say with a fair degree of certainty that neither one did as well as they should have. Neither one directly answered the question like they should have, and neither one delved into specifics. For someone who has been described as the "Cicero of the Senate" by his colleagues I expected more out of Joe Biden in particular. And so he let me down.

Now, as far as Sarah Palin is concerned I have to admit that she did a lot worse than Joe Biden. However, she is going to come off as the winner in this debate simply because the expectations for her were so low.

I think Palin "won" the debate even though Biden's answers were better, and even in light of his decision not to attack her. I certainly don't feel as if Palin mopped the floor with Biden at all, or that she won against him - but she won with conservative America because simply because she stood to win big from this or to lose it. I don't think Biden really could have gained so much from this.
resistdeath wrote:
Oct. 4th, 2008 05:11 am (UTC)
What more did you expect of him that you were disappointed in not seeing?
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(no subject) - resistdeath - Oct. 5th, 2008 06:07 pm (UTC) Expand
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