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And what of the aftermath?

  • Nov. 4th, 2008 at 9:44 AM
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If Obama loses...(media/pollsters will have egg on their face) But what will happen to the Democratic party? will it begin to introspect?
However, if McCain loses, what happens to the Republicans? Will they become more reactionary or more amenable to listening to middle America?

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(no subject) - fmsilk - Nov. 4th, 2008 04:25 am (UTC)
absurdhero wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 04:33 am (UTC)
Exactly my thought.
isara wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 04:30 am (UTC)
psst. that's "Democratic party"

In some circles, "Democrat party" is slander
borgseawolf wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 08:13 am (UTC)
Out of curiosity, why is it a slander?
isara wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 04:10 pm (UTC)
actually, "slander" is the wrong word, but the way I heard it, Rush Limbaugh and his ilk used to call it the DemocRAT Party, as an insult.

(I got flamed for accidentally using "Democrat" incorrectly once, which is how I know some people are touchy about it)
raptavio wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 04:37 am (UTC)
If Obama loses, honestly the Democratic Party faithful will be very likely to question the integrity of the election rather than introspect. Given the shenanigans going on even now, there'll be plenty of fuel for that fire.

As a Democrat, I'm not sure what I'll think about that inevitability, honestly.

Now if, on the other hand, the polls bear out and Obama wins and his coattails bring a downticket landslide, the Republicans will head into the wilderness, as the likely margin of victory will not be able to be spun as anything but a popular rejection of Republican values. During their journey in the wilderness, they will introspect, they will battle amongst themselves, and in a cycle or two they will be very likely to reemerge as something closer to Goldwater conservatism, and shed the radical wing of their party -- the wing that insists that all that don't agree with their principles are anti-American or otherwise the enemy. But they may simply become embittered, and permanently marginalize themselves, to be replaced with something new.
credendovides wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 04:59 am (UTC)
You obviously aren't familiar with Fox is you think there is no way to spin a Republican loss. They have been oiling up the gears for that spin for the past month. If you can't stomach Fox News but want to know what they are saying, you can always just follow www.newshounds.us.

If another party can pick up steam and ride on the floundering of the Republican party, we may very well see a major change in American politics soon. It's happened before, such as when the Republicans replaced the Whigs as one of the two major parties. But one of the other parties will really need to pick up momentum for that to happen, and will need to have the right set of conservative values to ring true with the same portion of the population.
raptavio wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 03:51 pm (UTC)
If you think I'm unfamiliar with Fox and the larger wingnutosphere, you underestimate me.

But there is a limit to what they're capable of spinning; they can only obscure the facts to a point. A true landslide will be beyond their ability to obfuscate.
(no subject) - fmsilk - Nov. 4th, 2008 04:39 am (UTC)
freak2760 wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 04:29 pm (UTC)
.....Who knows.

Agreed. wow.

They aren't going to be interested in the middle class...

I disagree with this, and the rest of it I do agree. Weird, how could that have happened?

....Neocon movement....

I am sincerely confused by this moniker. I sincerely would like to here your definition of Neocon.
carmy_w wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 05:00 pm (UTC)
"My hope is that those old school Republicans that are still out there will overrun the Neocon movement and take back their party."

Massive agreement here! I'm tired of the religious right shoving the Republican party around, and I'm even more tired of the Republican candidates pandering to them....
pewter_wings wrote:
Nov. 5th, 2008 01:38 am (UTC)
Agreed, so very much. I can remember the year I jumped the Republican ship.
morgaath wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 04:47 am (UTC)
If McCain loses the Republican Party takes a long hard look at itself.
The Conservatives start to distance themselves from the Christian Right, by trying to have the platform based only on building a Conservative government.
The Christian Right starts trying to build the platform based only on Anti-Abortion, Anti-Same Sex Marriage, and Anti-non-Christian.
Some folks will want both.

If Obama loses the Democratic Party goes back to the drawing board in total and absolute confusion as the entire world spends the next 4 years trying to figure out how 90% of the poll takers, and the huge crowds and the money spent on ads was wrong.
iber wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 04:53 am (UTC)
If Obama loses, the system will lose some basic legitimacy. They will be a complete hellstorm in which a recount, as well a checking in potential fraud will most likely occur. McCain losing won't change much overall within the system itself sadly.

I don't know about either party. The torch has been passed to the new generation with the appointment of Obama as the candidate of choice. If anything I could see some possible reform trying to get the party (professional) itself more potential in choosing a stronger candidate. The Republican party itself is definitely going to be in a position of reform, and will see the rise of the new generation of Republicans. It is very possible will see Sarah Palin at the forefront of this movement... As much as I don't want to assume that Obama is going to win, I can't see him really losing. The Democrats will have some internal reform, but I don't really think I can predict the reform they will have because them having the executive office in their pockets.
(no subject) - saavedra77 - Nov. 4th, 2008 05:44 am (UTC)
beavis_the_wise wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 06:13 am (UTC)
I predict that an Obama loss, after the Bush presidency, could be the begininng of the end of the Democratic Party. Of course, if Obama were to lose, there's a strong argmuent to be made, as the guys above have said, that we were cheated out of it (again!). But these accusations will come to nothing, and in the end, some serious damage will be done to the Party.

A Republican loss wouldn't be surprising. They'd bounce back though. McCain won't bounce back. He'll probably sneak into the shadows of the Senate for the remainder of his career, with no friends left but Lieberman. The Republican Party will have to consider ways in which it can reform its idealogy though. With the new voting demographics, I honestly don't see that party surviving as it is in the long term.

I could be wrong. Maybe there will be a happy ending for us all.
samuraigrrrl wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 06:18 am (UTC)
the republicans stand to lose more than just the white house. if they lose senate seats and/or the white house i think a reformation is inevitable. when they lost to clinton, they switched from goldwater (william f. buckley jr.) politics to w. (carl rove) politics. the fiscal conservative/libertarian republican party was pushed under the rug by the neo-cons. they need to find a new puppet master/marketing ploy. will the neo-cons go away? i doubt it. they will probably hoist sarah palin up as their goddess and lose another round or two before fading away.
alatoo wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 06:54 am (UTC)
If Obama loses the way it happened during the previous two elections, I am not convinced that his supporters will agree to swallow this as peacefully as they did before.

If McCain loses, the Republicans will be quick to claim that he was too much of a maverick to be recognized as the truly Republican candidate.
polarisdib wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 07:57 am (UTC)
If Obama loses, people will be screaming that the Republicans stole the vote again... and this time I'll be a degree more likely to believe them (note to potential responders: yeah yeah I know 2000 and stuff. I was there. I mean a degree more likely than 12.5% sure). It'll certainly be interesting to see how the nation and the media reacts, but either way the college hippies and trustafarians will be insufferable. I'm glad I'm graduating in a semester and a half.

If McCain loses, I think the Republicans will only feel vindicated that they need another guy who sticks to his guns next time. Not that McCain doesn't stick to his guns, but he doesn't always follow what they say, and that's worse than treachery to some Republicans. However, McCain losing does give the Republicans at least four years to repaint every struggle our nation is going through as Obama's ("the socialist") fault... and since Obama will find it difficult, no matter how many Democrats are in Congress and Senate, to get everything he promised done, people's disappointment in him may just be interpreted as the Republicans being right all along. This is my pessimistic view of what I'm pretty certain is going to happen.

--PolarisDiB
kwsapphire wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 09:24 am (UTC)
I think if McCain wins, there may very well be riots.
fester_jonjon wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 11:45 am (UTC)
An Obama loss...
You may hear blame being placed on Biden if Obama loses.

I have already heard some die hard democrats that I work with mention that if Obama loses, you can trace the blame all the way back to the convention and also some of the more recent comments of Biden

It was the convention where some delegates were shown on TV saying that if Obama had picked Hillary as his running mate it would ensure a victory.

Then think back to when even Biden himself admitted that Hillary would have been a better pick that himself.


Now as far as if McCain loses, I really dont think you will any blame placed anywhere other than on McCain himself and the fact that he voted so often in favor of some of Bush's economic plans.
tyskkvinna wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 03:10 pm (UTC)
I think tomorrow, roughly half of the country is going to be claiming fraud. I don't think it matters who wins- the "other side" will be claiming fraud.
raptavio wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 03:55 pm (UTC)
If Obama wins and his margin of victory is in line with the polls or greater, I doubt those claiming fraud are going to have a leg to stand on.
tyskkvinna wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 03:57 pm (UTC)
I didn't say the claims would be grounded.. :) But I think they're going to be there.

I suppose "anything is possible", but I don't see McCain winning by a large margin - if he wins at all it'll be squeaking by. Obama does have the chance for the large margin of victory though, which would be great. (Because it'd line up with the polls) If it doesn't - I see a lot of the polling organisations getting heat and having a huge change in how they do polling.
raptavio wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 04:04 pm (UTC)
Which would be putting the cart before the horse, honestly.

I want an overhaul of the electoral system aimed at eliminating fraud.
gardenwaltz wrote:
Nov. 4th, 2008 06:23 pm (UTC)
I do hope that there will be reform within the Republican party. There is some room to debate on issues of the size and role of government. However, the far right has been consistently pushing to regulate values and deny basic scientific facts.
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