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Dominic Lawson writes that Democrats are worried that a tape from bin Laden is even now being conveyed to Al Jazeera, in an attempt to swing Americans behind John McCain. After all, Senator McCain is possibly even more belligerent than President Bush, while Senator Obama is the candidate who will speedily withdraw US troops from the Middle East and attempt to charm the world back to pro-Americanism.

If these anxious Democratic supporters are right, then we should indeed expect a bin Laden tape criticising John McCain, cunningly designed to cause Americans to reject Barack Obama instead. In that case, they must also accept the corollary: that if no such tape is sent to Al Jazeera, it would suggest that bin Laden really prefers that Obama became President. Read the whole article.

Question: Is bin Laden a factor in this election? And will Americans be influenced by any reported word from him as some believe they were last time around.

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samuraigrrrl wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 02:49 pm (UTC)
another skew on it is that a tape from bin laden would be a reminder that bush FAILED.
and since bush = mccain "at least 90% of the time" and more importantly would fill the cabinet and other important positions with more of the same...
tyskkvinna wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 03:27 pm (UTC)
That's been my impression of it too. "Osama's back? What the hell have we been DOING for the past seven years then?"
(no subject) - luis_mw - Oct. 24th, 2008 03:30 pm (UTC) Expand
(no subject) - dedqgirl - Oct. 24th, 2008 05:41 pm (UTC) Expand
correct!! PLUS, Palin's dug herself a grave! - nick53 - Oct. 25th, 2008 07:24 pm (UTC) Expand
gymx wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 03:06 pm (UTC)
No one gives a crap.
luis_mw wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 03:24 pm (UTC)
Given that people will be influenced by multiply-forwarded emails from somebody whose brother-in-law's gardener's best mate's uncle who works in DC - that "prove" that Obama is a secret Muslim because he always takes his shoes off... I don't doubt that there are those who will be influenced by a bin Laden tape, or, if not, by Faux News' reporting of it.

samuraigrrrl wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 11:30 pm (UTC)
ftw.

absurdhero wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 03:28 pm (UTC)
If he sends a tape, it will likely have a small effect, and unfortunately in the same vein as you're describing here. If he doesn't, I don't think a lot of people are going to spend much time third-guessing him.
jeffxandra wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 03:30 pm (UTC)
All it does is remind us that John McCain is blackmailing the country into making him President in return for revealing how to capture Bin Laden.


Frankly someone who is as selfish as that doesn't deserve my vote.
luis_mw wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 03:31 pm (UTC)
A real patriot would have already told the incumbent of such a plan.
elanorgardner wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 03:37 pm (UTC)
To be brief, cause I is busy:

No

and

No
princekermit wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 03:39 pm (UTC)
The extreme reich right has been hammering away at the Obama = Osama mantra that bin Laden has dropped even further from the radar. Then again, those same folks were appeased when Saddam Hussein did the short rope jig on YouTube, thinking that the two were somehow related.

Perhaps it was satire and I didn't notice, but I could've sworn that Al-Qaeda already released a tape supporting McCain. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/which-candidate.html) Their "logic" was that McCain would keep America in Iraq and possibly invade Iran which would "exhaust" our resources, leaving us open and vulnerable in other places.

As far as playing the "what if" game - I don't think anything short of Bin Laden releasing a video of he and Obama having lunch would change the election much.
wtf wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 03:48 pm (UTC)
The whole thing reminds me of the second-guessing game from The Princess Bride. "But if you KNOW that I know that you know..."
brennakimi wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 05:09 pm (UTC)
somehow land wars in west and central asia don't seem to be all that much more successful than land wars in east asia.
(no subject) - wtf - Oct. 24th, 2008 06:55 pm (UTC) Expand
adamwolf wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 05:11 pm (UTC)
He's quite possibly not even alive. This is really...
dedqgirl wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 05:55 pm (UTC)
So we're assuming the Osama bin Laden is well-versed enough in reverse-psychology to use his powers for evil to change the election in his favor? Doesn't he hate all Americans?

Not that Osama bin Laden isn't undoubtedly a fairly smart guy (an 8ft arab on dialysis has to be smart to evade capture by the UNITED STATES for this long.... I mean, it's the US. We've got the badassest special ops forces in the world... so the guy must be smart), but this just makes me laugh.

"Ok, so get this... We're gonna set up a vid hatin' on McCain, and those infidels hate me so much that they'll figure I'm giving street cred to Obama bin Laden -- I mean Barack Obama -- so they'll turn against they're savior and vote for McCain, just cause they hate me so much! And then we'll take over the world!"

Reminds me of the Family Guy sketch. "Radaman... Ramadan.... LOL Dennis Radaman!"
wolfwyndd wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 06:10 pm (UTC)
At this late stage of the game, I don't think a message from Bin Laden is going to make much of a difference because early voting / absentee voting has already started in much of the country. IF Bin Laden and / or a message from him was going to have an impact, it should have been released several weeks ago. Even if it were to be released today or tomorrow I don't think it's going to have much of an impact, if at all.
pennyann wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 06:57 pm (UTC)
If anyone in this country votes based on something Osama bin Ladin says, they get what they deserve. Osama bin Ladin should not be a factor in this election, except as a reminder that our focus on dealing with what happened on 9/11 has been lost. Perhaps that wouldn't be such a bad awakening, because I certainly feel that the people who lost their lives on September 11 deserve better than for us to just let bin Ladin be out there, free to do as he please, while we battle neighborhood arguments between Iraqi religious factions that had nothing to do with that horrible day.
seldearslj wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 10:59 pm (UTC)
If anyone in this country votes based on something Osama bin Ladin says, they get what they deserve.

This. THIS.

It's as stupid as the people saying that "the rest of the world wants Obama, so obviously he must be the wrong choice for America!"

WTF? What kind of a nitwit thinks like that?
(no subject) - korneva3 - Oct. 25th, 2008 01:51 am (UTC) Expand
the_real_girlie wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 08:09 pm (UTC)
Osama who?

Seriously, McCain/Palin have screwed up waaaayyy beyond the point of no return... waaaaaaaayyy beyond... where whatever Osama says will have little effect on (McCain/Palin losing) the election.
biomaton wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 08:47 pm (UTC)
Wow look at all the Obama loving going on here.

"Senator McCain is possibly even more belligerent than President Bush"
while Senator Obama is the candidate who will speedily withdraw US troops from the Middle East and attempt to charm the world back to pro-Americanism"


Figures from a paper written by a bunch of Limeys.

"All it does is remind us that John McCain is blackmailing the country into making him President in return for revealing how to capture Bin Laden"
Wow do you really believe that? What kind of reality altering fairy dust are you huffing and how do I get a hold of it?

On another note, McCain is not Bush. McCain wouldn't have been able to hold on this long if he were. I understand all you Obama supporters think Repulblicans are evil, and you wish that the US could be more like Canada and Europe, but please stop deluding yourselves. Can you please go move out of the country so I can stop supporting social parasites with my tax dollars.

Now that I'm done venting, no Osama doesn't matter. I suppose if he were caught before the election it might give McCain a minor boost.

Any moron that allowed anything that jihadist jacknob says to influence their vote is a waste of flesh. When you allow your freedoms to be abrogated in the name of "safety" and "security" you allow the terrorists to win.
samuraigrrrl wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 11:46 pm (UTC)
Can you please go move out of the country so I can stop supporting social parasites with my tax dollars.

no. no, i can't. you wanna know why? well, it doesn't matter if you want to does it? i'm typing. here's why. cause it's my country, too, hon. and you know what else? i want to see it work. and it ain't workin so well right now, is it? so, you see, when something isn't working, you change it.

if you want to live in a country controlled by religious fundamentalists who love drillin, baby, drillin and who are also completely unafraid to throw down nuclear weapons, why don't you move... to iran. and take those hockey moms who voted for bush (who took our civil liberties in the name of homeland security) with you.

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polarisdib wrote:
Oct. 24th, 2008 09:05 pm (UTC)
Exact same answer as last time: bin Laden is NOT running for President, so we should not vote for or against him. It's absolutely absurd to let a terrorist's fearmongering become a deciding factor in any person's personal vote. The same is true not just for terrorism, but also for politicizing. Anybody whose activities are changed by anyone saying "If you do this, the terrorists win" are allowing themselves to be ruled by something other than their conscience, even though that conscience is what is appealed to.

This whole thing actually is one of my primary pet peeves about people in general and latently a huge irritation during election seasons. It took me a couple of years of paying attention to what was going on with our country after 9/11 to realize that the only thing more disturbing than the fear invoked by the unforgettable image of the towers collapsing was the fear people had over the government and its activities. Fear of ANY type should be avoided if you plan to get things done and do good in this world. ANYBODY who uses fear to justify his or her actions is a bigger danger to him or herself than what causes him or her to fear in the first place. I believe this type of knowledge is fundamental to maturity and critical thinking.

If bin Laden is trying to use this election strategically, which he probably is, and it actually involves trying to direct individual American citizen's votes, which I find a little harder to accept, the only thing more frustrating and disturbing to me than the idea that he actually thinks that he can do it is the fact that people actually think it could work.

Remember, folks: You are voting FOR McCain or FOR Obama. If you aren't voting, you aren't voting. But terror and fear isn't on the ballot this year, and it won't ever be as long as you don't let it.

--a very pissed off PolarisDiB
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