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Game over?

  • Oct. 16th, 2008 at 12:37 PM
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Writing on the Independent's blogs, Andrew Keen feels the debate marked the effective end of the election:

The Odd Couple Show is now history and the election is over. McCain and both old and new American media have lost. On 4 November the electoral soap opera will end. Rather than facing a weirdly uncomfortable 72 year-old from Phoenix, Arizona with a Joe the Plumber fixation, Obama will be confronted by the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression. In three weeks time, the Barack Obama Show debuts. The whole world will be watching. It better be good.

Question: Is it all over now for McCain? Or has this election still got an October surprise in it?

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tyrell wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 12:17 pm (UTC)
Is it all over now for McCain?

I wish. It damn well should be, but he's still got millions of people saying they'll vote for him. The fact we're even wondering if he could win is a little surreal.
tinylegacies wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 12:26 pm (UTC)
It isn't over until it's over.

Yes, Obama's numbers are pretty solid right now, but I think it would be a mistake for his supporters to get too cocky at this juncture.
jeffxandra wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 01:06 pm (UTC)
Never underestimate the ability of the Democratic party to screw-up their opportunities. Hell, see them rolling over for Bush since taking a majority in Congress.

Did the debate change anything? No.

Could something else change it? Not unless there's a picture of Barack sitting on a pier next to the Monkey Business.
brennakimi wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 01:44 pm (UTC)
majority ignores the reality of the two-party system and the internal and external coalition building and the fact that congressmen represent their constituents and not their party.
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brennakimi wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 01:43 pm (UTC)
it ain't over till january 20.
kevynjacobs wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 02:58 pm (UTC)
It's not over until the Republicans steal the election again.
janet_prime wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 03:24 pm (UTC)
It's never over until the votes are all in AND counted -- the American electorate has regularly made fools out of anyone with the hubris to claim to see the future.

The only poll that matters is the one on November 4th.
credendovides wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 05:06 pm (UTC)
And recounted, and lawsuits filed and dismissed over miscounts, and impossible deadlines set and missed and ruled on. And don't forget media spin and cries of corruption. Then four years of resentment and plotting by conspiracy theorists.
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euchreman wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 05:50 pm (UTC)
Game Over
Even though McCain probably performed the best since the conventions, it does signify that the game is over for him. I think he would need to prove that Obama is a terrorist in order to win now.
biomaton wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 06:40 pm (UTC)
Re: Game Over
*sigh*

Goodbye America

hello Amerika

I hope all you Obama supporters like socialism, if he wins you're going to get a heaping load of it.
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polarisdib wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 07:01 pm (UTC)
A) I never allow myself to assume it's over until it's over. Until the votes are counted and one of them is sworn in, shit can happen.

B) As my geography teacher told me in early 2004, it's never over. After the election comes the blame game (this was left over from the previous administration!), the slow understanding by voters that the President won't live up to all of his promises (he can't! Half the stuff these guys talk about are outside of Presidential powers!), the midterm elections, more judgment of his abilities, scandals from his party or others, and then it's time for another election.

--PolarisDiB
pennyann wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 08:15 pm (UTC)
There doesn't need to be an October surprise for McCain to win, there needs to be a November 4th surprise though...

If they had anything they could have used as an "October surprise", it would have been done already. In fact, I'm pretty sure it would have been done by Hillary Clinton in the primaries. I think they have already thrown out everything they have against each other and wouldn't wait until there are only a couple weeks before the election to let something come out and sink in and expect it to make a difference.

As many have asserted, the election is not over. In fact, it will only end when the new President places his hand on the Bible and is sworn in. The polls are the polls, they are debatable and sometimes wrong (and sometimes through no fault of their own, people give an answer they aren't 100% sure about themselves). If we live or die by the polls, we better start planning mass funerals.

No matter who wins, they will have to face serious stuff, and I hope people are realistic about the inability of a President to do more than try to get Congress to move on issues that are important to him. Even so... it takes time.

For instance... how much relief and economic turn around are we seeing from the $700 billion bail out bill? The Dow is still crashing, credit markets are still freezing, houses are still being forclosed on... nothing is instant, and we'd better be realistic about this no matter who wins the election.
devil_ad_vocate wrote:
Oct. 17th, 2008 01:56 am (UTC)
I'm an Obama supporter, but I have doubts about how he can turn the U.S. economy around in four years. He may be a one-term president.
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oldflatulant wrote:
Oct. 18th, 2008 04:42 pm (UTC)
Over?
God I hope not. I live in springfield, Illinois where where Mr Obama represents my state. He has been our Senator for three years where he has spent the last two years running around the country while getting full salary from our state. I know of no meaningful legislation that he has written, he usually votes present so he does not have to go on record and was elected by a lot of fradulant and graveyard votes in Chicago.
Furthermore his lawyer background was enough for me to watch his career and his associations have been with the like of Mr Ayers, ACORN, Mr Resco & his close ties with our biased media. That alone is enough to scare me to death that Obama will win this election.
I am old, poor and have no state job to protect so I can say what I think. I think that Ayers is more then a guy in your neighborhood and you may not have known him when when you were 8 but when you got your grant to go to college in Illinois, you had plenty of exposure to his way of teaching our young people disrespect for thier country and its citizens. That includes our newsreporters as well. Hello, read your history, we are a Democracy not a socialistic country. Mr Obama you served on boards with Ayers where grant monies were distributed to radical organizations. Mr Ayers spent his youth blowing up and sabotaging government buildings and health clinics and has never appologized for it. In fact as late as 2001 he stepped on our flag in disrespect and also said his terrorist activities should have been more. I am ashamed to say my taxes have helped pay his taxes at U of I.
Mr Resco is brokering a deal, that is what he did best until he got cought, with our procecutors. Mr Resco says he will tell the truth. I hope it happens before the election and his ties with you and our crooked Governor come out. I may be old and uneducated but I am not stupid.
Mr Obama you did more then represent ACORN on one deal. You helped them get grants and your own campaign finances has given them more then $800,000. They have been the instigators of hugh amounts of voter fraud nationwide. You have made a mockery of one of our greatest rights, the right to vote which is being cancelled with voter fraud. Mr Obama you should be ashamed of yourself. Then again forty years from now you will not apologize for your actions any more than Mr Ayers has.
Janice Horner
040412 wrote:
Oct. 20th, 2008 06:57 pm (UTC)
down to the wire
My feeling is that it will all come down to who actually shows up to vote. Nearly half of all Americans have not voted in the past 30 years for president. I am very curious to see what the voter turn out will be this time around. If I could bet on this, I could expect between 60 and 70% voter turnout. Maybe I am giving people too much credit.

Date Voting Age Population ¹ Turnout
2004 215,694,000 122,295,345 56.69%
2000 205,815,000 105,586,274 51.31%
1996 196,511,000 96,456,345 49.08%
1992 189,529,000 104,405,155 55.09%
1988 182,778,000 91,594,693 50.11%
1984 174,466,000 92,652,680 53.11%
1980 164,597,000 86,515,221 52.56%
1976 152,309,190 81,555,789 53.55%
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