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LIVE! Debate Open Thread

  • Oct. 8th, 2008 at 1:00 AM
election_orange
Greetings one and all, and welcome to the US Election 2008 open thread for the second Presidential debate between John McCain and Barack Obama from the campus of Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee.

While the world markets crumble in fear and the bailout rolls on, Obama's standing in the horse race has improved, as shown in the polls and in online betting markets.

But if a week is a long time in politics, 4 weeks is a lifetime. And the McCain campaign is counting on this debate to swing the momentum in its favor. Already this week, McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin, has sought to change the running narrative away from the economy by focusing on questionable associations in Obama's political past, and has urged McCain to take his gloves off tonight.

It's into this environment the candidates enter for tonight's debate. I'll be here in the comments to poke and prod, trying to point out some of the key moments and get your feedback. As always, this is about you, so please share your thoughts, points, and questions.

Oh, and one other thing: I'm told the official drinking game for this debate is called "Economic Crisis." So for those of you playing along at home, every time a candidate says "economic crisis," drink up.

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brennakimi wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 12:09 am (UTC)
You're right. "Maverick" would leave the roads dangerous until noon tomorrow.
luis_mw wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 12:32 am (UTC)
I liked the Saturday Night Live skit on the VP debate, in which Tina Fey (as Palin) made her closing speech as "and for Joe Six-pack playing drinking games out there - Maverick" (winks, mimes opening a can).

Scary that the SNL skits are very hard to tell from the real thing.
(no subject) - brennakimi - Oct. 8th, 2008 12:33 am (UTC) Expand
(no subject) - jeffxandra - Oct. 8th, 2008 01:53 am (UTC) Expand
election_orange wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 12:34 am (UTC)
30 minutes to debate time
Get ready, we're only 30 minutes away.

To start us off, former White House political director Karl Rove just said on Fox, "If the election were held today, Barack Obama would win."

What do you think of that comment?
luis_mw wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 12:37 am (UTC)
Re: 30 minutes to debate time
Roll out the voting papers!
Re: 30 minutes to debate time - brennakimi - Oct. 8th, 2008 12:39 am (UTC) Expand
Re: 30 minutes to debate time - kubilaai - Oct. 8th, 2008 01:00 am (UTC) Expand
Re: 30 minutes to debate time - cry884 - Oct. 8th, 2008 01:02 am (UTC) Expand
Re: 30 minutes to debate time - lishypo - Oct. 8th, 2008 01:11 am (UTC) Expand
election_orange wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 12:56 am (UTC)
Debate ground rules
According to Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Sun Times, tonight's debate ground rules are governed by a 31-page memorandum of understanding between the McCain and Obama campaigns.

Among the rules:
• The audience is made up of 100-150 "Uncommitted" voters from the Nashville area, selected by The Gallup Organization
• Moderator Tom Brokaw selects the questions from the uncommitted voters in the audience and from those submitted on the internet.
• The members of the public asking the questions are not permitted follow-up questions.
• Candidates must stay in their "designated area," may not directly question one another, and are forbidden from proposing pledges.
• The campaigns agreed that Brokaw is not allowed to make comments or ask follow-up questions himself, but Brokaw did not sign on to that deal and considers himself free to do so.
• Candidates can not bring any prepared notes into the debate, but may take notes during the debate
election_orange wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:04 am (UTC)
First Question: What's the fastest solution to bail individuals out from economic ruin?
The candidates have taken the stage and had their handshake. The first question goes to Barack Obama from Allen Shaffer.
fannyanns wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:08 am (UTC)
Re: First Question: What's the fastest solution to bail individuals out from economic ruin?
obama gave a plan
mccain did not
election_orange wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:06 am (UTC)
Obama pins lack of regulation on GOP
Answering the first question, Obama puts the blame for the lack of regulation on the Republican administration. He proposes "middle class rescue package" for individuals and money for local and state governments for infrastructure.
brennakimi wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:08 am (UTC)
Re: Obama pins lack of regulation on GOP
lol. Really? Your first solution to the failing economy is opening oil fields to private industry?

Really?

Wait. Last week you didn't support cramdowns!

election_orange wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:08 am (UTC)
McCain: Keep taxes low, cut spending
McCain comes out and suggests cutting foreign aid, taxes, and spending. Suggests a plan to bail out and renegotiate bad mortgages to keep people in their homes, stabilize home values.

Worth noting, unlike the first debate, he addressed Obama directly.
brennakimi wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:22 am (UTC)
Re: McCain: Keep taxes low, cut spending
Worth noting that as of last week, McCain didn't support those cramdowns.
election_orange wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:10 am (UTC)
Brokaw's follow-up: Who would you appoint as Treasury Secretary?
McCain proposes Warren Buffett and Meg Whitman.

Obama would be happy with Buffett too, but says it's important whoever it is should be focused not on the top, but on the middle class.
election_orange wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:12 am (UTC)
Question 2: What about the Wall Street bailout will help individuals?
From Oliver Clark
brennakimi wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:22 am (UTC)
Re: Question 2: What about the Wall Street bailout will help individuals?
Nice to see McCain already insulting the audience.
election_orange wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:14 am (UTC)
McCain: Pins crisis on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac
McCain points to his support for regulation of Fannie & Freddie in 2006, and resistance from Congressional Democrats at that time. Notes Obama received campaign money from Fannie/Freddie. "The match that started this forest fire"

Returns to plan to renegotiate mortgages.
kwsapphire wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:20 am (UTC)
Re: McCain: Pins crisis on Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac
Fannie and freddoe are Obama's fault? Man, does McCain ever not lie? He says stuff and I just don't believe a word he says. Go Theresa finch!! (typing on iPod, gotta type fast.) you know I don't like everything Obama says but at least I feel like he is truthful. As far as politicans can be anyway.
election_orange wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:16 am (UTC)
Obama: Bailout was to loosen up credit
Obama explains to voter how if companies can't get loans, it trickles down to small businesses and payrolls.

Rebuts McCain's claim that Democrats are to blame, pins it on "deregulators" such as McCain, cites letters to Treasury Secretary Paulson about subprime mortgage 2 years ago.

Points out McCain campaign manager Rick Davis was a lobbyist for Fannie Mae.
kwsapphire wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:23 am (UTC)
Re: Obama: Bailout was to loosen up credit
I am so tired of being told the crisis affects us too. We know. We just don't want to hand free money out to wallstreet without addressing the actual problem. And wow I would not be comfy with McCain or anyone that close to me.
tsmitty31 wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:16 am (UTC)
I would be more interested in listening to non-partisan economists discuss the pros and cons of deregulation, as well as what implications that deregulation has had on Wall St. and elsewhere. This rhetoric is irritating.
kwsapphire wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:25 am (UTC)
and why aren't non partisan economists the ones coming up with the solution ( /bailout ) ?
(no subject) - brennakimi - Oct. 8th, 2008 01:48 am (UTC) Expand
(no subject) - joannkatana - Oct. 8th, 2008 01:19 am (UTC) Expand
tsmitty31 wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:22 am (UTC)
Re: McCain's economic plan (part of it)
That's part of the bailout package
election_orange wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:23 am (UTC)
Question 3: How can we trust either of you with our money?
Teresa Finch notes that both parties got them into the crisis.

Obama says there is plenty of blame to go around, but what matters is what the parties will do. Says he'll cut spending.

McCain says system in Washington is broken, and that he's a consistent reformer who goes after special interests, cites his record. Calls Obama's record the "most liberal, big spending record in the Senate."
kwsapphire wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:28 am (UTC)
Re: Question 3: How can we trust either of you with our money?
callingobama the most liberal anything is like... I dunno, saying he has the darkest skin in America, that is, laughable. He's more liberal than...uh.. Bush, maybe :p
d4ni wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:24 am (UTC)
If I was playing the drinking game, I'd be pretty well tanked by now...
election_orange wrote:
Oct. 8th, 2008 01:28 am (UTC)
Follow up: What are your priorities, of health care, energy, or entitlement reform?
McCain: We can work on all 3 at once, it's important to reform entitlement programs. We're not going to be able to offer the same level of benefits to workers. Build nuclear power plants and invest in alternative fuels. Mentions health care last.

Obama: Energy has to be dealt with today, has cost and national security impact, invest $15 billion/year for 10 years to free from foreign oil. Health care priority 2. Priority 3: Education. We have to prioritize spending side and tax side.
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